In this episode, we invite you into the chaotic, channel-changing television set of our podcast to hear how race has impacted the lives and relationships of John and Trey, an interracial, gay couple living in Harlem, NY, Kane an internationally known spoken word poet and educator who is processing his whiteness, and that other guy from the streets of Mardi Gras in New Orleans, whose name we never quite learned but whose confederate flag backpack certainly caught my eye.

A special thank you to Macy Gray for her new song, “White Man”, which you’ll hear at the end of this episode. Check out the amazing video for this song, and visit macygray.com for more info about her music.