Kathy Sawyer and Sandy Walker are two women that have known each other for over 35 years. They worked professionally together in the service industry and as Washington State Counselors. Kathy is active with a wonderful client base and Sandy left counseling to follow her dreams of opening up a small café and then a furniture and design center. 

Kathy and Sandy raised kids and each have 6 grandchildren. Sandy has been married 44 years and Kathy was married for over 40 years until ending in divorce.

Their desire is to share our life experiences--being very real on all sorts of topics--and continue to learn through an audience of many.