Job security is a myth.

In this inaugural episode of Everything Counts (but nothing is real), host Kristin interviews her partner Loren (they/them), an artist turned web developer turned business owner whose story embodies the everything counts spirit. Loren started in sculpture, taught themselves design and web, and said yes to the kinds of opportunities that don’t look like a plan, until they do. After nearly two decades in nonprofits, tech, and e-commerce, a layoff at 40 became the turning point.

We talk about the intersection of creativity and technology, the myth of job security, and the quiet rewards of building something on your own terms. Loren shares what self-employment has taught them about growth, money, and meaning and why believing companies will care about you as much as you care about them is… cute.

If you’ve ever wondered whether starting over is riskier than staying put, this conversation might rewrite your equation.

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