In the inaugural recording of Contemplation Cafe, Sarat speaks to with his long time friend and side hustle master, Daniel Phan. 

Daniel is an entrepreneur and self-employed business owner with great vision and endless creativity.

In this episode, Sarat and Daniel discuss the uncertainty that comes with making drastic life style changes especially when leaving the comfort of a “secure” corporate job.   Daniel provides great insight into pitfalls of glamorizing the lifestyle of being an entrepreneur; social media portrayals can be far from reality.  Sarat and Daniel discuss the inevitable changes brought forth by the autonomous economy and the feasibility of implementing Universal Basic Income.  Many other tangential topics are discussed including the human drive; “I don’t think there is a one size fits all drive”. Finally, Sarat comes out as a self-proclaimed hipster, and gets butt-hurt by a unnamed CEO’s stance on specialty coffee.