In the debut episode of The Projection, Isaiah Velez sits down with friends and co-creatives Jon Bernal (BERN!) and Broderick Perkins (Brodi Phoenix) to unravel the raw, reverent, and rebellious heart behind their self-titled EP, unprofessional christians. What started as a one-off song turned into a cathartic outpouring—challenging labels, confronting church hurt, and wrestling publicly with faith.

This episode is equal parts testimony and tension. They talk about making art that doesn’t fit in Christian or secular boxes, the danger of performance in both pulpits and platforms, and why holiness doesn’t have to wear a collar. This isn’t a safe conversation, but it is an honest one.