In this podcast we talk compare the "unnamed less we be sued" biz conf we walked out of in Orlando and Funnel Hacking Live 2020 in Nashville (Hint one of these is not like the other.) We discuss some of our favorite podcasts: "And The Writer Is..." and DIY Musicians podcast. We talk about why only in music business you are considered a failure unless you are on TV and/or the radio. (why aren't chefs and local restaurant owners asked when they will succeed by being on Top Chef?) We talk about the need to build your own artist brand and why many singing contest winners are never heard from again. Finally, we discuss the importance of thinking of non-musical scheduling conflicts when scheduling gigs.