Bess Matassa is a New York-based astrologer and tarot reader. After completing a PhD, she went rogue and began creating star-studded experiences ranging from birth chart walking tours to zodiac perfume-making classes and tarot dance parties. She is the co-author of The Numinous Astro Deck (Sterling, 2019), the author of Zodiac Signs: Leo and Virgo (Sterling, 2020). Bess and Sue sit down and discuss everything from her Plutonian death and rebirth with Astrology being at the center. They discuss how to locate creativity in your own chart and how to build off the basics of understanding the energetics of each sign. Bess shares a beautiful example of her personal understanding of creativity and her process of hollowing and filling which leads to a generous, pure expression of creative beauty. Bess also shares the path to her PhD and how she fused mystic realms with urban planning. Bess wraps up the episode by sharing her personal spiritual practices and how she taps in to understand the energetics of each day.

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