This episode is not about giving financial advice—we would never do that. Instead, we’re sharing the ideas, frameworks, and mindset shifts around money that we’ve personally found helpful along the way.

We talk about two books that really shaped how we think about spending, saving, and our relationship with money: The Psychology of Money and The Art of Spending Money by Morgan Housel—both genuinely great reads.

We also reflect on how we grew up with very little money and almost no financial literacy, how that shaped our early decisions, and how we slowly learned to think differently about finances as adults. If you’re interested in the Substack Madison mentions—her conversation with AJ from Beyond the Green—you can find that linked here.

A quick note for anyone watching: Madison booked the wrong room for this recording, so please know this setup is very much not our vibe.