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Welcome back to Analyze Scripts, where a psychiatrist and a therapist analyze what Hollywood gets right and wrong about mental health. Today, Portia and Katrina continue exploring "Shrinking" episodes 4-6 on AppleTV+. We decided to split this analysis into two parts because HARRISON. FORD. GETS. STONED, which deserves all the attention it can get! We discuss turning on Liz when she emotionally blackmails her son and being shocked when Gaby hooks up with Jimmy! UGH WHO IS WATCHING OUT FOR ALICE?! We hope you enjoy!
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[00:17] Portia Pendleton & Dr. Katrina Furey: Welcome back to kind of, I guess, part two of Shrinking, episodes four through six. Turns out there's a lot of content cover. Yeah, we wanted to kind of break it up a little bit to give listeners a little break and not make like a two hour episode. So I'm Portia Pendleton. I'm a licensed clinical social worker, and I'm here with Dr. Katrina Fury, a psychiatrist. And we're breaking down. Currently, the show shrinking on Apple TV. Plus last episode, if you didn't listen to part one of this, we are talking about or we spent a lot of time talking about Sean PTSD. Again, kind of inappropriate boundaries. We talk about OCD and the kiss or the attempted kiss between Wally and Jimmy, his patient. So I think we're just kind of going to move right into more thoughts and feelings about these episodes. It's kind of funny because these episodes are like 30 minutes long. So I kept thinking, like, gosh, I don't know if you're going to fill the time. And then turns out it's so rich. There's so much to talk about. So where do we start? I think you wanted to spend a little bit of time talking about marijuana. Oh, my God. Cannabis. Seeing Harrison Ford, like, high as a kite, I felt like we needed a whole episode just about that. I mean, I really didn't see that coming. I was surprised that Liz was the one who had these gummies. And I'm also, like, not surprised, but also not surprised. Right. They are in Pasadena, and Liz seems like kind of bored. Yeah. But I loved that she was like I don't know exactly what she said, but she was like, my yoga teacher's cousin got these from their nephew who said this has, like, totally been proven scientifically to help, and it cured him. And I have to say, as a psychiatrist, I get so many questions about CBD gummies, cannabis, marijuana. And of course I do, because it's everywhere right now. It's being legalized and everything like that. So of course people have questions. But I just loved that that's where she got it, because I just feel like that's always what I hear. Well, I got it from this person who got from that person who got from this person who said it helped their dog. I hear that a lot about diets of work. Like, oh, my hairdresser aunt did this diet and it cured her of this. And it's just like, what? Yeah, well, it probably won't work for you for these reasons. Why? Right. Again, knowing that you treat a lot of patients who struggle with eating disorders, that makes a lot of sense. So, yeah, I mean, what did you think about I wanted more. I feel like I just loved when he kind of showed up and she is removing his sunglasses and he's like, oh, wow, it's so much better. He has cotton mouth. His mouth is really dry. So to sort of rewind a little bit and set the stage. So eventually, the lawyer, whoops brian. Brian decides to propose finally sounds like he's really been hesitating about commitment. And he had that touching, like, faux therapy session with Gabby, which I thought was nice, but also kind of predictable. It wasn't earth shattering, but it was nice. And so he finally wants to propose. So he plans his party to invite his partner over. He's, like, super nervous. He's buzzing around it's. At Jimmy's house. Jimmy was really hesitant about the party, I think. Right. A lot of stuff was coming up for him, like, pre party that I think he should have maybe been really forceful with a no. Like, I want to host this. Right. Again. Boundaries, Jimmy. But it sounds like he and his wife used to throw parties, and this was the first party he was throwing since she passed. And that maybe that fight they were sort of flashing back to was happening around a party or something. And he started we again start to see that their relationship wasn't perfect. When the wife died, they were fighting. She seemed kind of unhappy, and he was really struggling with that. So they're having the party. Initially, Paul is like, I can't come. I'm busy being alone. He doesn't want to go, which, again, kind of inappropriate boundary when you're, like, the boss of all these people. And then he shows up high as a kite. And I think he took the gummy because he'd told his daughter about his Parkinson's diagnosis, and she was about to fly out, and he was feeling really nervous and for his character. Right. Paul is so a little bit kind of tightly wound. I feel like he's very cautious by the book. It seemed like it was just, like, super impulsive, kind of like an effort moment. Do it. And then it was like and they took a couple more. Yeah. And then all of a sudden, he shows up at the door, and everyone's like, oh, my God, you're here. And he's got this funny little hat on his glasses, and he's like, you poisoned me. He's, like, pointing at Liz. He's like you poisoned me. I was like, God, I hope he didn't drive there. Maybe he got an Uber. Well, it seems like he's not driving right now. Hopefully he didn't impair. And then just like, the banter when Liz is like, I took one too, and we need Popsicles. And then her husband is like, which ones? And she's like, the special ones, apparently, for when their mouths are dry, when they're hot. Oh, I didn't catch that. And he was like, okay, I guess I'll go get them. It's so funny. Oh, my God. And then my favorite part was when the proposal goes awry, because Jimmy's supposed to play you are so beautiful, and they start throwing up every projectile again. I cannot tolerate seeing puke like that. And I was like, gagging to myself while laughing, while being like, it was so funny. This episode was so good. Like, from an entertainment perspective and also from a psychology perspective, I thought there were some really nice moments. Like, I thought Gabby and Liz's relationship going. They had like a repair. They both kind of owned their lie or their kind of mean spirited comment. And then they got really close and we're connecting. I thought there was a nice moment between Gabby and Jimmy when she shows him the picture of yes. His wife looking at him. But as soon as she came in that bedroom, I think you blocked that out. I did block it out. You're just remembering it right now. Oh my gosh. I was so I knew it was going to happen. I know. As soon as she came in, I just knew they were going to make out. I can't believe I know. I totally blocked it out. I did, because it's painful. I was disappointed about the trauma. I was so disappointed because I thought it was such a beautiful moment. And I think you seems like you picked it up like a couple of seconds before maybe like 2 seconds before they did it. I was like, oh no. Yeah, you can feel the tension. There was maybe music. I was just like, I know. Oh my God, it was so nice. I wish they had just left it at that hug. Right? Give each other a hug. Pat on the back, go your bed. Right? But I think she was drunk and she was saying, Remember partner? And she was like trying to get back out there, remember? And she was like, I can't get a lady *****. What do we call it? All that stuff is really funny. Oh my gosh. So Jimmy throws up everywhere. Projectile vomiting, like a lot. Too much. Don't show that. But it was so funny. And I'm always like, how do they do that? Yeah. Is there like a hose behind him that someone's like under the piano? Like funneling vomit looking liquid through? Is it like a sprinkler? I'm always so curious about Hollywood, especially. I don't think it is. Yeah, it looks like can you imagine, like, if your job was to create the vomit? No, but so he ruins the proposal and then Brian is all flustered, like, oh, forget it. Forget it. Jimmy starts singing. Brian's like, trying to sing. This isn't a duet. It's so funny. But then finally Brian and his partner outside, and the partner says yes, and that was so sweet. And then you hear Harrison Ford eating doritos. And I just died. You just think of like, hi as a kite eating doritos. Of course it's doritos. It was just so doritos amazing. It was so funny that you hear the crunch and then oh my God, I just love it. Just like the camera pans and you're like, again, because that's so out of character for paul. He would never wander outside with his turn and then just being a part of this special moment. But I thought it was kind of sweet because Brian, it turns out, is doing like the life planning for him. And in that way, he is seeing a very vulnerable side of Paul that no one else has seen. So in that way, it was kind of touching to me that now he gets to witness this really vulnerable again. We got such poor boundaries in this whole group. But I thought that was really sweet. And I feel like Paul used the gummies to begin with because he's so nervous that his daughter, now that he's finally told her, is like, flying in. She's like, we're going to go see all the specialists tomorrow. We're going to come up with a plan. She's like, really on it. And I think that's why he was hesitating, because he doesn't want to feel dependent yet. And I think that's like, again, a nice depiction of something super common when people get diagnosed with things like Parkinson's. Yeah. It totally changes the relationship. I think it just automatically launches people into caregiver roles to some degree. And so now kind of like, he's the father, he's the caregiver, but he feels so guilty because he really wasn't there. There's so much there. I think his emotions about it feel really authentic, like the hesitancy and then they're not wanting to be a burden and wanting to be close to its grands. I mean, all of that, I would say, is really spot on. Yeah. And I think Mr. Ford is doing a really nice job depicting all of that comedy. I saw online that they approached him kind of as like a lol. He'll never say yes, he did. And they said he's so great at it. He's having so much fun, his sense of humor that he is able to portray really dryly at times. I love the role. I do, too. I love it. I know. Now that you say that, I feel like I only remember him from Indiana Jones, star Wars, Fugitive. Did you ever see that movie? Oh, so good. We watched it as a kid. So good. Air Force One. Is that a movie? Like Action? For sure. But I love him in this role and he can bring that grittiness and the comedy element to it. Seems like it's perfect for him. I know. Can't picture anyone else playing. And can you imagine everyone else acting with him? Like they are just like over the moon, right? All right, portia. Well, we don't have sponsors or anything like that yet, but maybe someday we will. And if we did, this is where they would go. So what kind of sponsor would you like to see? I think really anything that is like I want to use, like spindrift, sparkling water. I would love for that to sponsor us. You love that you have them all the time. All the time. So what else would I like? I feel like I don't wear a lot of makeup daily, but I am like a makeup. Get ready with me, girly. I love watching that stuff. So any makeup brand want to send me something? Even though you can't see us, that maybe is problematic. What else? Again, on the delusions of all grandiose delusions on our vision board is an airline with the lay flat seat. I really want to take a flight and lay down. I mean, if you're going to go big, maybe you should just do Emirates and you don't actually have to take me anywhere. We'll just lay down, go up in the air, circle around a couple of times and we can come down. But that's my ultimate sponsor dream. So this is where you'd hear a commercial. If we had them so far, we don't, but keep subscribing if you don't. I just love the whole cast. I love everyone from Liz's husband who just makes these appearances. I think he's so silly. I like Alice. I like, obviously all the therapists. Like, it's just Brian. Yeah. I think all of the casting is just so good. It's so good. It's so, so good. It's such a good show. Like, I'm really enjoying watching it, even though I am so mad at Jimmy. I'm so disappointed in him. I am so mad. We talked last time about again, how I just feel like he's hurting everyone around him with his patience, for sure, but also Alice. And we really see that continue to develop. He gets so uncomfortable and angry when she reveals that she lost her virginity to Connor, who's Liz's son. And it sounds like it was like a nice way to lose your virginity, right? Of all the ways it could possibly happen, it was consensual. They knew each other really well. They were friends. They used protection. Right. They were safe. And he just flips out. And there's a part of me that's like, dude, you don't get to be mad. You've been like Mia. Even especially within that context. Her losing her virginity in that way, I feel like is a very nice way. There is a thing from a father about her age which I could see. You never want to think about your children, but Jimmy, you were absent and she saw others, those young girls, in many different ways. You don't get to be mad at this at all. You don't also like her reaction. Remember the first scene ever those young girls in the pool who we think are like hookers and he's doing drugs and it's like, you haven't exactly like she says, or her comeback is like, well, I cleaned cocaine off the picture of Mima. Right? Like when he got mad at her for cutting school to go hang out with Sean again, it's like he's trying to be like, I'm the dad and we're going to have rules now you really have to repair first. Totally do. Not going to work. It's not going to work. And he was, like, so mad at Liz, and I'm just like, you're mad at yourself, dude. That's what it is. But you're not looking inward or like, doing any of the work. You're just acting out externalizing and hurting everyone around you. I know. Drives me nuts. Yeah. I think he apologized to Liz later, which I appreciated just for his kind of outburst about it. Again, it's funny. Like, it's funny part of the show. He's having a temper tantrum. It's funny and everything, but it just makes me, like, angry at it. Well, and then Connor keeps reaching out to Alice, and she's, like, not responding because she's so caught up with Sean. Grown man in the house. So I was just kind of like I think it's like that's, like but again, like, appropriate, like sweet. Like, they seem like they're an age apart. Like, yeah, you know, that's who she should be interested in. And now she's also just, like, setting a boundary and seems really, in some ways, like like positively mature. Right. She didn't really want to go to that party under the bridge. I love that too. That's like, such a typical high school. We're going to have a party under the bridge. We're going to be a wine cooler. In so many ways, she was neglected 100%, and she's still really I feel like she has a good moral compass. I know. And these are the things, too, that, you know, she wishes she had her mom to talk about, like losing her virginity. How do you interact with people who are interested in you? Are you interested in them or not? These are all the things that I think a girl wants to talk to her mom about. So it is nice for Liz to be there, for Gabby to be there, but it's really sad that her dad hasn't been there. And now when they're trying to start mending that relationship, he has such big temper tantrums about her behavior, when really, again, when you're comparing her behavior to his behavior, there's no comparison. So I'm really interested to see how their relationship continues playing out, especially now as they're leaving it with this tension between her and Sean. I bet she feels just so embarrassed and rejected. And I just so felt for her as, like, a teenage girl. I know. It's just like, oh, no. And then I'm always thinking, like, what are you going to do now? Right. Especially in movies, it's like, well, now you run away. Now you do go to you hang out with another older guy who will cross that line. And that's always where I feel nervous. Bad things happen. Yes. And this happens. Right. For vulnerable kids who have faced such a big loss, in some ways, Alice has lost both parents. She lost her mom, and her dad isn't there. And thank God she has Liz. And thank God she has Gabby. But it's really I wonder if you and I prickle up more about this, given our line of work and all the different cases we've seen, because it's like, this is like the perfect storm brewing for her to run away. I don't think she will, like, in this show, but it's scary. No, I agree. I did catch something that I did not like that Liz was talking about. I think it's called kind of like emotional blackmail. And it's like when parents, because they did all of these things for you while you were a child, then have this expectation that you are supposed to fill their need, whatever that may be, emotionally, financially. When she called her son, that's what you're going to talk about. I hated that. Yeah. So she texted her son, I think, to show Paul about children being there for you. He was really again, he's having this kind of dilemma about his daughter's involvement with his Parkinson's and this new kind of relationship dynamic between them. And then Liz proceeds to text her son something along the lines of, like, I'm not doing well right now. I need you to call me. And then he calls her immediately. And then she like, ignores, declines. I know. And she's like, see, like, we were there. I wiped their butts. Like, so they should be there for me. Right. That's not so unhealthy. That's played out a lot. Not a lot, but that is played out by parents and it's so conditioned. It's not good. No. Yeah. Thank you for bringing that up. That's so true, because I think Paul is really grappling with he knew his daughter was going to want to run in and save him and really take charge, and he's not there yet. He wants to be independent. He's already given up the driving, which it's got to be hard. He doesn't really want that guy and he doesn't want her to feel like she has to swoop in and save him, I think, because he feels so guilty that he really wasn't there for her in the way he wishes he should have been. And Liz, like, misses the mark. I think she's also high. Yeah. But yeah, I thought that was she's just, like she's like, just doing a really poor job of learning how to cope. And this is a challenge, but having an empty nest, which, again, is really appropriate and helpful to Alice. She steps in. She's like this new parent for Alice and that's great and everything, but I think it's more than just being helpful for Liz. I think she has this void that she thinks it's filling her need, too. Right, exactly. So in those ways, Liz and Jimmy are kind of similar, right? They're a little selfish. Yeah. Like, kind of quote unquote helping, but to make themselves feel better. And that's really dangerous. So that's a really interesting parallel I wonder how that'll keep playing out. Yeah. And then I'm like, how is episode seven going to open? Is it going to be like, Gabby and Jimmy in bed? Like, holy ****. Yeah. Like next morning, regurts, did Alice no, she's in the house. She probably gabby's still there. You know what I mean? And also she's still there. Yeah. I don't know. I'm really nervous about that in some ways, I feel like. And what a violation that was. Alice's mom's best friend. So I could see Alice becoming very upset because maybe I feel like the hookers were bad. Right. But they were meaningless to her. So now it's like this person who she knows was best friends with her mom and who is there for her on this deeper level, has now been with her dad. If she finds out, like, that is a big violation, I would assume, for Alice. That would make me feel horrible. Horrible. Not trust, not want to talk to Gabby. I think that's just like a termination of that relationship, which is unfortunate. And Alice has already lost so many important people. I assumed they went all the way, but I wonder if they'll pull away from the kissing. I feel like that would be good, right? But I don't know. And again, if we took out them both, being intoxicated this happening for both of them, when they're both emotionally charged about, you know, Gabby's ex husband and the demise of that marriage and Jimmy losing his wife and Alice. Like, right there and and all of that. Like, if this had been like they gradually grew closer and they were like, you know what? Maybe this would be good for both of us, and I feel safe with you. Or if you develop communication, authentic feelings. Right. And, like, Alice wasn't next door. Like all these things. I could see how that might actually be really nice, but the context is so not that. And I'm so upset. No one's watching out for Alice. I know you just want to run in all these adults are just not acting like adults. No, they're not. But again, it's like not all adults act like adults. So in that way, it's nice to see some flawed characters. Yeah. What were you going to say you did talk about before, which I really wanted to bring up because I thought it was just, like, a beautiful statement. When Paul is eating doritos while Brian and his now fiance are having kind of their moment, the advice that he gives them is, like, two vulnerable people will always find a way to connect. So stay open. I thought that was just, like such so true, so meaningful. Such a nice way to say that. Because I think ultimately it's just a simple it's so real good advice. I feel like I'm not giving it the justice that I wanted to say about it. But if you're vulnerable, if you're open, if you can listen and hear and be just kind of in like a receiving position for your partner. Not defensive, right? Not defensive. You're not closed off. You're not kind of pivoting almost. I'm picturing, like, you're back to them. The relationship can work. Right. There's going to be problems, there's going to be bumps. But if you can try of course no one does it perfectly. No, but I think a lot of problems that arise in partnerships are often because of poor communication or someone not sharing how they really feel or it's as simple as I'm fine. It's like, well, you're not 100% share how this small thing hurt you so that it can be addressed and you can move on. Instead of it building and building and building. Right. And learning that it's a safe relationship to share that stuff and that the other person does want to hear it because oftentimes they didn't mean it that way. They didn't know it was landing for you that way based on your own experiences. And then when they realize that, hopefully they can internalize it and move forward differently, and then that's how you feel more and more attached. I feel like Paul was really speaking from experience, which I feel like he did not stay open. I know. Of course. That just gave me chills. I know. I'm really excited to see what happens. We want to see, and I'm sure we will, like what happens with Gabby and Jimmy. I don't want Alice to run away. What happens with Alice. I want to see, of course, what happens with Sean. I want to see, like, Liz. I want Sean to fire Jimmy. Yeah. I want him to again, learn somewhere because he's not learning it from Jimmy or anyone else. But to be able to be like, I deserve better than this. So I'm going to find a different therapist. Yeah. What else do you want to see? I would like to see Harrison Fort hike. Yeah. I liked I would like to see him get high and do a little dance or some kind, maybe with a top hat and a cane. I don't know. I want him to have more. I feel like his talks with Alice are really good. I liked when they were on the bench and she wouldn't sit down because she was mad. And he was like, well, I'm sitting and I'm always mad. He's so funny. And then she sits down. He's like, see, you can be mad while you sit. And I love all the commentary about his little hat. He keeps wearing all these little things. I really do enjoy this show. I think it's really funny. It's really entertaining. I hope there's a season, too. I already want that. And it is bringing up a lot of interesting stuff about mental health. Again, we were thinking, like, we'd have a hard time talking about these three episodes because they were short and we had to split our recap into two episodes. So hopefully we will probably the next time we recap shrinking, it will be over. It'll be over. So I'm really curious to see. I think that'll come out. Yeah, the end of March, probably. All right, well, thanks for joining us for this two parter. Next time you hear our voices, we will be finishing up you season four and we can't wait to see what happens. So excited. I I don't know what to expect. I know. On the edges of our seat. Yeah. Will we hear any more about Marianne or is that it? What happens with Reese? What's going on? And then as we move into the month of April, we are going to start making our way through the hit HBO show succession. A lot of our followers and listeners keep requesting that, so we can't wait. 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Welcome back to Analyze Scripts, where a psychiatrist and a therapist analyze what Hollywood gets right and wrong about mental health. Today, Portia and Katrina continue exploring "Shrinking" episodes 4-6 on AppleTV+. We decided to split this analysis into two parts because HARRISON. FORD. GETS. STONED, which deserves all the attention it can get! We discuss turning on Liz when she emotionally blackmails her son and being shocked when Gaby hooks up with Jimmy! UGH WHO IS WATCHING OUT FOR ALICE?! We hope you enjoy!
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[00:17] Portia Pendleton & Dr. Katrina Furey: Welcome back to kind of, I guess, part two of Shrinking, episodes four through six. Turns out there's a lot of content cover. Yeah, we wanted to kind of break it up a little bit to give listeners a little break and not make like a two hour episode. So I'm Portia Pendleton. I'm a licensed clinical social worker, and I'm here with Dr. Katrina Fury, a psychiatrist. And we're breaking down. Currently, the show shrinking on Apple TV. Plus last episode, if you didn't listen to part one of this, we are talking about or we spent a lot of time talking about Sean PTSD. Again, kind of inappropriate boundaries. We talk about OCD and the kiss or the attempted kiss between Wally and Jimmy, his patient. So I think we're just kind of going to move right into more thoughts and feelings about these episodes. It's kind of funny because these episodes are like 30 minutes long. So I kept thinking, like, gosh, I don't know if you're going to fill the time. And then turns out it's so rich. There's so much to talk about. So where do we start? I think you wanted to spend a little bit of time talking about marijuana. Oh, my God. Cannabis. Seeing Harrison Ford, like, high as a kite, I felt like we needed a whole episode just about that. I mean, I really didn't see that coming. I was surprised that Liz was the one who had these gummies. And I'm also, like, not surprised, but also not surprised. Right. They are in Pasadena, and Liz seems like kind of bored. Yeah. But I loved that she was like I don't know exactly what she said, but she was like, my yoga teacher's cousin got these from their nephew who said this has, like, totally been proven scientifically to help, and it cured him. And I have to say, as a psychiatrist, I get so many questions about CBD gummies, cannabis, marijuana. And of course I do, because it's everywhere right now. It's being legalized and everything like that. So of course people have questions. But I just loved that that's where she got it, because I just feel like that's always what I hear. Well, I got it from this person who got from that person who got from this person who said it helped their dog. I hear that a lot about diets of work. Like, oh, my hairdresser aunt did this diet and it cured her of this. And it's just like, what? Yeah, well, it probably won't work for you for these reasons. Why? Right. Again, knowing that you treat a lot of patients who struggle with eating disorders, that makes a lot of sense. So, yeah, I mean, what did you think about I wanted more. I feel like I just loved when he kind of showed up and she is removing his sunglasses and he's like, oh, wow, it's so much better. He has cotton mouth. His mouth is really dry. So to sort of rewind a little bit and set the stage. So eventually, the lawyer, whoops brian. Brian decides to propose finally sounds like he's really been hesitating about commitment. And he had that touching, like, faux therapy session with Gabby, which I thought was nice, but also kind of predictable. It wasn't earth shattering, but it was nice. And so he finally wants to propose. So he plans his party to invite his partner over. He's, like, super nervous. He's buzzing around it's. At Jimmy's house. Jimmy was really hesitant about the party, I think. Right. A lot of stuff was coming up for him, like, pre party that I think he should have maybe been really forceful with a no. Like, I want to host this. Right. Again. Boundaries, Jimmy. But it sounds like he and his wife used to throw parties, and this was the first party he was throwing since she passed. And that maybe that fight they were sort of flashing back to was happening around a party or something. And he started we again start to see that their relationship wasn't perfect. When the wife died, they were fighting. She seemed kind of unhappy, and he was really struggling with that. So they're having the party. Initially, Paul is like, I can't come. I'm busy being alone. He doesn't want to go, which, again, kind of inappropriate boundary when you're, like, the boss of all these people. And then he shows up high as a kite. And I think he took the gummy because he'd told his daughter about his Parkinson's diagnosis, and she was about to fly out, and he was feeling really nervous and for his character. Right. Paul is so a little bit kind of tightly wound. I feel like he's very cautious by the book. It seemed like it was just, like, super impulsive, kind of like an effort moment. Do it. And then it was like and they took a couple more. Yeah. And then all of a sudden, he shows up at the door, and everyone's like, oh, my God, you're here. And he's got this funny little hat on his glasses, and he's like, you poisoned me. He's, like, pointing at Liz. He's like you poisoned me. I was like, God, I hope he didn't drive there. Maybe he got an Uber. Well, it seems like he's not driving right now. Hopefully he didn't impair. And then just like, the banter when Liz is like, I took one too, and we need Popsicles. And then her husband is like, which ones? And she's like, the special ones, apparently, for when their mouths are dry, when they're hot. Oh, I didn't catch that. And he was like, okay, I guess I'll go get them. It's so funny. Oh, my God. And then my favorite part was when the proposal goes awry, because Jimmy's supposed to play you are so beautiful, and they start throwing up every projectile again. I cannot tolerate seeing puke like that. And I was like, gagging to myself while laughing, while being like, it was so funny. This episode was so good. Like, from an entertainment perspective and also from a psychology perspective, I thought there were some really nice moments. Like, I thought Gabby and Liz's relationship going. They had like a repair. They both kind of owned their lie or their kind of mean spirited comment. And then they got really close and we're connecting. I thought there was a nice moment between Gabby and Jimmy when she shows him the picture of yes. His wife looking at him. But as soon as she came in that bedroom, I think you blocked that out. I did block it out. You're just remembering it right now. Oh my gosh. I was so I knew it was going to happen. I know. As soon as she came in, I just knew they were going to make out. I can't believe I know. I totally blocked it out. I did, because it's painful. I was disappointed about the trauma. I was so disappointed because I thought it was such a beautiful moment. And I think you seems like you picked it up like a couple of seconds before maybe like 2 seconds before they did it. I was like, oh no. Yeah, you can feel the tension. There was maybe music. I was just like, I know. Oh my God, it was so nice. I wish they had just left it at that hug. Right? Give each other a hug. Pat on the back, go your bed. Right? But I think she was drunk and she was saying, Remember partner? And she was like trying to get back out there, remember? And she was like, I can't get a lady *****. What do we call it? All that stuff is really funny. Oh my gosh. So Jimmy throws up everywhere. Projectile vomiting, like a lot. Too much. Don't show that. But it was so funny. And I'm always like, how do they do that? Yeah. Is there like a hose behind him that someone's like under the piano? Like funneling vomit looking liquid through? Is it like a sprinkler? I'm always so curious about Hollywood, especially. I don't think it is. Yeah, it looks like can you imagine, like, if your job was to create the vomit? No, but so he ruins the proposal and then Brian is all flustered, like, oh, forget it. Forget it. Jimmy starts singing. Brian's like, trying to sing. This isn't a duet. It's so funny. But then finally Brian and his partner outside, and the partner says yes, and that was so sweet. And then you hear Harrison Ford eating doritos. And I just died. You just think of like, hi as a kite eating doritos. Of course it's doritos. It was just so doritos amazing. It was so funny that you hear the crunch and then oh my God, I just love it. Just like the camera pans and you're like, again, because that's so out of character for paul. He would never wander outside with his turn and then just being a part of this special moment. But I thought it was kind of sweet because Brian, it turns out, is doing like the life planning for him. And in that way, he is seeing a very vulnerable side of Paul that no one else has seen. So in that way, it was kind of touching to me that now he gets to witness this really vulnerable again. We got such poor boundaries in this whole group. But I thought that was really sweet. And I feel like Paul used the gummies to begin with because he's so nervous that his daughter, now that he's finally told her, is like, flying in. She's like, we're going to go see all the specialists tomorrow. We're going to come up with a plan. She's like, really on it. And I think that's why he was hesitating, because he doesn't want to feel dependent yet. And I think that's like, again, a nice depiction of something super common when people get diagnosed with things like Parkinson's. Yeah. It totally changes the relationship. I think it just automatically launches people into caregiver roles to some degree. And so now kind of like, he's the father, he's the caregiver, but he feels so guilty because he really wasn't there. There's so much there. I think his emotions about it feel really authentic, like the hesitancy and then they're not wanting to be a burden and wanting to be close to its grands. I mean, all of that, I would say, is really spot on. Yeah. And I think Mr. Ford is doing a really nice job depicting all of that comedy. I saw online that they approached him kind of as like a lol. He'll never say yes, he did. And they said he's so great at it. He's having so much fun, his sense of humor that he is able to portray really dryly at times. I love the role. I do, too. I love it. I know. Now that you say that, I feel like I only remember him from Indiana Jones, star Wars, Fugitive. Did you ever see that movie? Oh, so good. We watched it as a kid. So good. Air Force One. Is that a movie? Like Action? For sure. But I love him in this role and he can bring that grittiness and the comedy element to it. Seems like it's perfect for him. I know. Can't picture anyone else playing. And can you imagine everyone else acting with him? Like they are just like over the moon, right? All right, portia. Well, we don't have sponsors or anything like that yet, but maybe someday we will. And if we did, this is where they would go. So what kind of sponsor would you like to see? I think really anything that is like I want to use, like spindrift, sparkling water. I would love for that to sponsor us. You love that you have them all the time. All the time. So what else would I like? I feel like I don't wear a lot of makeup daily, but I am like a makeup. Get ready with me, girly. I love watching that stuff. So any makeup brand want to send me something? Even though you can't see us, that maybe is problematic. What else? Again, on the delusions of all grandiose delusions on our vision board is an airline with the lay flat seat. I really want to take a flight and lay down. I mean, if you're going to go big, maybe you should just do Emirates and you don't actually have to take me anywhere. We'll just lay down, go up in the air, circle around a couple of times and we can come down. But that's my ultimate sponsor dream. So this is where you'd hear a commercial. If we had them so far, we don't, but keep subscribing if you don't. I just love the whole cast. I love everyone from Liz's husband who just makes these appearances. I think he's so silly. I like Alice. I like, obviously all the therapists. Like, it's just Brian. Yeah. I think all of the casting is just so good. It's so good. It's so, so good. It's such a good show. Like, I'm really enjoying watching it, even though I am so mad at Jimmy. I'm so disappointed in him. I am so mad. We talked last time about again, how I just feel like he's hurting everyone around him with his patience, for sure, but also Alice. And we really see that continue to develop. He gets so uncomfortable and angry when she reveals that she lost her virginity to Connor, who's Liz's son. And it sounds like it was like a nice way to lose your virginity, right? Of all the ways it could possibly happen, it was consensual. They knew each other really well. They were friends. They used protection. Right. They were safe. And he just flips out. And there's a part of me that's like, dude, you don't get to be mad. You've been like Mia. Even especially within that context. Her losing her virginity in that way, I feel like is a very nice way. There is a thing from a father about her age which I could see. You never want to think about your children, but Jimmy, you were absent and she saw others, those young girls, in many different ways. You don't get to be mad at this at all. You don't also like her reaction. Remember the first scene ever those young girls in the pool who we think are like hookers and he's doing drugs and it's like, you haven't exactly like she says, or her comeback is like, well, I cleaned cocaine off the picture of Mima. Right? Like when he got mad at her for cutting school to go hang out with Sean again, it's like he's trying to be like, I'm the dad and we're going to have rules now you really have to repair first. Totally do. Not going to work. It's not going to work. And he was, like, so mad at Liz, and I'm just like, you're mad at yourself, dude. That's what it is. But you're not looking inward or like, doing any of the work. You're just acting out externalizing and hurting everyone around you. I know. Drives me nuts. Yeah. I think he apologized to Liz later, which I appreciated just for his kind of outburst about it. Again, it's funny. Like, it's funny part of the show. He's having a temper tantrum. It's funny and everything, but it just makes me, like, angry at it. Well, and then Connor keeps reaching out to Alice, and she's, like, not responding because she's so caught up with Sean. Grown man in the house. So I was just kind of like I think it's like that's, like but again, like, appropriate, like sweet. Like, they seem like they're an age apart. Like, yeah, you know, that's who she should be interested in. And now she's also just, like, setting a boundary and seems really, in some ways, like like positively mature. Right. She didn't really want to go to that party under the bridge. I love that too. That's like, such a typical high school. We're going to have a party under the bridge. We're going to be a wine cooler. In so many ways, she was neglected 100%, and she's still really I feel like she has a good moral compass. I know. And these are the things, too, that, you know, she wishes she had her mom to talk about, like losing her virginity. How do you interact with people who are interested in you? Are you interested in them or not? These are all the things that I think a girl wants to talk to her mom about. So it is nice for Liz to be there, for Gabby to be there, but it's really sad that her dad hasn't been there. And now when they're trying to start mending that relationship, he has such big temper tantrums about her behavior, when really, again, when you're comparing her behavior to his behavior, there's no comparison. So I'm really interested to see how their relationship continues playing out, especially now as they're leaving it with this tension between her and Sean. I bet she feels just so embarrassed and rejected. And I just so felt for her as, like, a teenage girl. I know. It's just like, oh, no. And then I'm always thinking, like, what are you going to do now? Right. Especially in movies, it's like, well, now you run away. Now you do go to you hang out with another older guy who will cross that line. And that's always where I feel nervous. Bad things happen. Yes. And this happens. Right. For vulnerable kids who have faced such a big loss, in some ways, Alice has lost both parents. She lost her mom, and her dad isn't there. And thank God she has Liz. And thank God she has Gabby. But it's really I wonder if you and I prickle up more about this, given our line of work and all the different cases we've seen, because it's like, this is like the perfect storm brewing for her to run away. I don't think she will, like, in this show, but it's scary. No, I agree. I did catch something that I did not like that Liz was talking about. I think it's called kind of like emotional blackmail. And it's like when parents, because they did all of these things for you while you were a child, then have this expectation that you are supposed to fill their need, whatever that may be, emotionally, financially. When she called her son, that's what you're going to talk about. I hated that. Yeah. So she texted her son, I think, to show Paul about children being there for you. He was really again, he's having this kind of dilemma about his daughter's involvement with his Parkinson's and this new kind of relationship dynamic between them. And then Liz proceeds to text her son something along the lines of, like, I'm not doing well right now. I need you to call me. And then he calls her immediately. And then she like, ignores, declines. I know. And she's like, see, like, we were there. I wiped their butts. Like, so they should be there for me. Right. That's not so unhealthy. That's played out a lot. Not a lot, but that is played out by parents and it's so conditioned. It's not good. No. Yeah. Thank you for bringing that up. That's so true, because I think Paul is really grappling with he knew his daughter was going to want to run in and save him and really take charge, and he's not there yet. He wants to be independent. He's already given up the driving, which it's got to be hard. He doesn't really want that guy and he doesn't want her to feel like she has to swoop in and save him, I think, because he feels so guilty that he really wasn't there for her in the way he wishes he should have been. And Liz, like, misses the mark. I think she's also high. Yeah. But yeah, I thought that was she's just, like she's like, just doing a really poor job of learning how to cope. And this is a challenge, but having an empty nest, which, again, is really appropriate and helpful to Alice. She steps in. She's like this new parent for Alice and that's great and everything, but I think it's more than just being helpful for Liz. I think she has this void that she thinks it's filling her need, too. Right, exactly. So in those ways, Liz and Jimmy are kind of similar, right? They're a little selfish. Yeah. Like, kind of quote unquote helping, but to make themselves feel better. And that's really dangerous. So that's a really interesting parallel I wonder how that'll keep playing out. Yeah. And then I'm like, how is episode seven going to open? Is it going to be like, Gabby and Jimmy in bed? Like, holy ****. Yeah. Like next morning, regurts, did Alice no, she's in the house. She probably gabby's still there. You know what I mean? And also she's still there. Yeah. I don't know. I'm really nervous about that in some ways, I feel like. And what a violation that was. Alice's mom's best friend. So I could see Alice becoming very upset because maybe I feel like the hookers were bad. Right. But they were meaningless to her. So now it's like this person who she knows was best friends with her mom and who is there for her on this deeper level, has now been with her dad. If she finds out, like, that is a big violation, I would assume, for Alice. That would make me feel horrible. Horrible. Not trust, not want to talk to Gabby. I think that's just like a termination of that relationship, which is unfortunate. And Alice has already lost so many important people. I assumed they went all the way, but I wonder if they'll pull away from the kissing. I feel like that would be good, right? But I don't know. And again, if we took out them both, being intoxicated this happening for both of them, when they're both emotionally charged about, you know, Gabby's ex husband and the demise of that marriage and Jimmy losing his wife and Alice. Like, right there and and all of that. Like, if this had been like they gradually grew closer and they were like, you know what? Maybe this would be good for both of us, and I feel safe with you. Or if you develop communication, authentic feelings. Right. And, like, Alice wasn't next door. Like all these things. I could see how that might actually be really nice, but the context is so not that. And I'm so upset. No one's watching out for Alice. I know you just want to run in all these adults are just not acting like adults. No, they're not. But again, it's like not all adults act like adults. So in that way, it's nice to see some flawed characters. Yeah. What were you going to say you did talk about before, which I really wanted to bring up because I thought it was just, like, a beautiful statement. When Paul is eating doritos while Brian and his now fiance are having kind of their moment, the advice that he gives them is, like, two vulnerable people will always find a way to connect. So stay open. I thought that was just, like such so true, so meaningful. Such a nice way to say that. Because I think ultimately it's just a simple it's so real good advice. I feel like I'm not giving it the justice that I wanted to say about it. But if you're vulnerable, if you're open, if you can listen and hear and be just kind of in like a receiving position for your partner. Not defensive, right? Not defensive. You're not closed off. You're not kind of pivoting almost. I'm picturing, like, you're back to them. The relationship can work. Right. There's going to be problems, there's going to be bumps. But if you can try of course no one does it perfectly. No, but I think a lot of problems that arise in partnerships are often because of poor communication or someone not sharing how they really feel or it's as simple as I'm fine. It's like, well, you're not 100% share how this small thing hurt you so that it can be addressed and you can move on. Instead of it building and building and building. Right. And learning that it's a safe relationship to share that stuff and that the other person does want to hear it because oftentimes they didn't mean it that way. They didn't know it was landing for you that way based on your own experiences. And then when they realize that, hopefully they can internalize it and move forward differently, and then that's how you feel more and more attached. I feel like Paul was really speaking from experience, which I feel like he did not stay open. I know. Of course. That just gave me chills. I know. I'm really excited to see what happens. We want to see, and I'm sure we will, like what happens with Gabby and Jimmy. I don't want Alice to run away. What happens with Alice. I want to see, of course, what happens with Sean. I want to see, like, Liz. I want Sean to fire Jimmy. Yeah. I want him to again, learn somewhere because he's not learning it from Jimmy or anyone else. But to be able to be like, I deserve better than this. So I'm going to find a different therapist. Yeah. What else do you want to see? I would like to see Harrison Fort hike. Yeah. I liked I would like to see him get high and do a little dance or some kind, maybe with a top hat and a cane. I don't know. I want him to have more. I feel like his talks with Alice are really good. I liked when they were on the bench and she wouldn't sit down because she was mad. And he was like, well, I'm sitting and I'm always mad. He's so funny. And then she sits down. He's like, see, you can be mad while you sit. And I love all the commentary about his little hat. He keeps wearing all these little things. I really do enjoy this show. I think it's really funny. It's really entertaining. I hope there's a season, too. I already want that. And it is bringing up a lot of interesting stuff about mental health. Again, we were thinking, like, we'd have a hard time talking about these three episodes because they were short and we had to split our recap into two episodes. So hopefully we will probably the next time we recap shrinking, it will be over. It'll be over. So I'm really curious to see. I think that'll come out. Yeah, the end of March, probably. All right, well, thanks for joining us for this two parter. Next time you hear our voices, we will be finishing up you season four and we can't wait to see what happens. So excited. I I don't know what to expect. I know. On the edges of our seat. Yeah. Will we hear any more about Marianne or is that it? What happens with Reese? What's going on? And then as we move into the month of April, we are going to start making our way through the hit HBO show succession. A lot of our followers and listeners keep requesting that, so we can't wait. 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