This do-over show ended up being the turning point. Natalie Barefoot's previous guest appearance was a disaster due to Jim's inexperience with audio. Natalie Barefoot is an accomplished attorney who is the Executive Director for CET Law, an organization providing advocacy for whales, dolphins, and porpoises. Besides being an awesome human being she is easily one of the most engaging people I spent time with, a quick wit, kind, and very funny.