In this episode I am joined by the great Hagen von Tulien. Hagen is a Chaos Magician and educator who has been working with Chaos Magick for over three decades. Hagen is a master-initiate of the Fraternitas of saturni, Adept of the Voudon Gnostic Current, and Gnostic Bishop of The Ecclesia Gnostica Spiritualis. Hagen and I discuss everything from the mechanics of Chaos to Quantum immortality, and the possibilities of alien life and what that could mean for the future of Chaos magick.

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