In the latest episode of the Nonprofit State of Minds podcast, David Chatham sits down with Gail Perry and Kathryn Gamble from the Gail Perry Group to discuss the importance of nonprofit leaders changing their mindset from fearful to fierce. Yes, the philanthropic environment may be challenging these days, but with the right mindset, message and tools development professionals, leaders and boards can and do meet or exceed their fundraising goals. Listen in to get a dose of positivity and encourgament!