In this conversation, Chubbs and Heath Crossland (4Cite Partners) discuss their extensive experiences in law enforcement, touching on themes of toxic leadership, mental health, and the evolution of police training. Heath shares his journey from patrol officer to chief deputy, his mission to combat toxic leadership, and the importance of mental health awareness, particularly regarding PTSD. They reflect on the challenges faced by officers, the need for empathy in leadership, and the shift towards requiring degrees for promotions in law enforcement. The conversation emphasizes the importance of cross-training and understanding different roles within the police force, ultimately advocating for better support and training for officers.

law enforcement, toxic leadership, mental health, PTSD, career development, retirement, police training, leadership, employee well-being, organizational psychology