Surprise drop-in stealthily ambushes the podcast from behind Erik. Jake Mattera and Erik Terrell discuss their personal rules surrounding when and how to plug yourself in conversation. The guys offer some of the easiest ways to get people's support while squeezing as many mentions of Erik's Special and Jake's Album into the podcast as they can.

In Shameful Stories, Erik drives another public wedge in his relationship with his family, and Jake ruins an opportunity to gain a new fan after being caught off guard with a very old-fashioned request.

Shameless Plug: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/real-chills/id1458646903
Shameless Plug: https://lovablemonsterspod.com/
A Soft One: https://orcd.co/asoftone

Erik's Amazon Special hits on August 3