In this episode, we interview two Church of Christ pastors from the Midwest region of the country: James Telgren and Dion Frasier. James currently serves as the lead pastor in a church in southwest Minnesota, while Dion serves as the lead pastor in a church outside Columbus, Ohio. This is the fourth of eight separate qualitative conversations with pastors inspired by James Knapp's suggestion from the only academic studies conducted on the retirement realities of Church of Christ pastors.