Back to our guests! This week we bring you Phil and his bad haircut (don't worry, he addresses it). Andrew gives Phil a proper welcome to the Developer MVP program and we get to hear the origins of the Swann Award of Excellence. Phil gives some great advice for starting your live stream plus a new game emerges called "Explain Yourself". Finally, a podcast first as Phil and Andrew literally talk nothing but garbage.

Phil's Links:

Phil Goes Deep YouTube:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCTmjY6H5roYkGQmwAQAcgQ

Phil's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/philipjamesswann/

Phil's Day Job: https://www.wrangu.com/servicenow/