Debbie, along with her guest, Pastor Chris, talk about what it means to experience joy over happiness. Happiness is based on what happens to us and we all know how circumstances can wreak havoc in our lives. Yet, joy can be a fruit we cultivate and have no matter what’s going on. Joy is hopeful. Rather than getting our validation from power, position or people, Jesus provides us with an everlasting joy through the Holy Spirit.

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