Vernon Pitout is an entrepreneur and business coach who has been a friend of Steve & Tammy for many years. On today's episode they reminisce on their spiritual journeys, discuss the pros and cons of leaders with a vision, and explore some of the challenges the church faces in the 21st century.

Go Beyond the Pale with Vernon Pitout!

Episode Index:

1:30- (Intro) Steve & Tammy reminisce over the church they started 25 years ago as well as how to deal with the crazy of a polarised world. 21:24- Conversation with Vernon begins

24:48- Doing Good in Church but questions arise

35:38- Thoughts on Worship

43:16- God deals with everyone individually

50:53- Understanding real Freedom

1:04:04- The Pros and Cons of Visionary Leadership