In this conversation, Pastor Rodney speaks with Stephen and Bailey Kuert, founders of Involved International, about their mission to empower communities in East Africa through church planting, discipleship, and artisan work. They share their personal backgrounds, the challenges faced in their ministry, and the importance of microfinancing in breaking the cycle of poverty. The discussion highlights the joy and desperation found in faith, particularly in war-torn areas, and emphasizes the need for the American church to cultivate a deeper hunger for Christ.