Jon Pernisek knows all things Wizard of Oz, and we had a delightful time talking a heap of silly adaptations of the book that mostly just rip off or repurpose the iconic 1939 film. While Jon has an appreciation for things like The Wiz, Return to Oz, and Wicked, he can also recognize when things are LAZY or BAD, so we have fun lambasting some projects that were probably doomed from the start. The Wizard of AIDS, 50 Shades of Oz, and a Thanksgiving special where Dorothy meets a mince meat pie in Oz are all REAL THINGS THAT EXIST. Jon also covers how The Wizard of Oz is always something he's clung and come back to as an aspiring writer (in spite of the fact that L. Frank Baum publically called for the horrible slaughter of all Native Americans. Woof.)