My guest is Kenneth Tanner. He's the pastor of Church of the Holy Redeemer in Rochester Hills, Michigan. He writes for numerous websites and magazines, including "The Huffington Post" and "Sojourners." We discuss the lectionary passages for Thirteenth Sunday after Pentecost (C): Jeremiah 18:1-11, Philemon 1-21, and Luke 14:25-33.

Special Guest: Kenneth Tanner.