In this episode, we discuss pie. Lots of pie talk.

Some notes:

Get up on Hatmas

Jhoâ€s hype: Jimmy Smits

Grooveâ€s Hype: Doug Loves Movies 12 Guests of Christmas

We got into holiday songs, mentioning This Christmas as well as Last Christmas.

Groove thinks the hype is still out on Jhoâ€s revelation that Preacher may be getting developed by Seth Rogan.

Groove urged Jho to check out Broad City (he wonâ€t).

We wrapped the podcast with a discussion of the podcast Serial, which has reached such fame that itâ€s had backlashand backlash to the backlash