We look at JFK’s admirable but doomed attempt to salvage US-Indonesia relations and avert catastrophe in Sukarno’s Indonesia. This is the 25th installment of our Empire and the Deep State series--an in-depth exploration of my new book American Exception: Empire and the Deep State. Again I am joined by series co-host Ben Norton of Multipolarista as well our own Seamus McGuinness who is producing the series.

Music: "Too Good Your Dreams Don't Come True" by Mock Orange