In this episode, Caleb and Todd talk with Robin DiAngelo about white fragility, why most people don't think of themselves as racist, why it's so hard for white people to talk about racism and more.

[Robin's website][1]

[White Fragility by Robin DiAngelo][2]

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Why can white people be so defensive when it comes to talking about race.

Black people are the ultimate racial other in the white mind.

The challenges white people have when talking about racism.

Most white people don't understand their whiteness which means the can't understand non-whiteness.

We need to change the question from "If that was racist…" to "How was that racist?"

The hardest part of educating white people.

The most difficult part of dealing with her own racism for Robin.

How to use the repair skills for after you've said/done something racist.

How to confront someone about their racism

Why it's important to actively confront racism.

The definition of white fragility and how it came to be.

There are the producers of racist ideas and the consumers of racist ideas.

What white people can do to become less fragile.

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