Brian Harris from the Covert Access Team is a social engineer, a physical pentester and a member of the black team. If you've heard of blue team, purple team and red team but not black team, you can hear what that is about in this episode!

Brian explains why all businesses should have their physical access tested, regardless of whether they believe the tester would be successful. Also, is it fair to test the third party cleaning crew during a test? We talk about this and a lot more!