Join Trevor this week as he talks to Emma E. Murray, the author of recent books When the Devil and Crushing Snails, both available from Shortwave Books and Apocalypse Party (respectively). Together, they talk about Emma's psychologically complex characters and themes, the exercise of empathy in horror fiction, about chasing utopian longings through disturbing media, and how transformative simple kindnesses and love can be.

For more from Emma, you can check out emmaemurray.com, where you can find news about all of her upcoming fiction.

Content Warning: This episode does deal with some heavy subjects including psychological trauma and mental illness. If you or someone you know is struggling with mental illness, please consider calling a professional for help.

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