With momentum building on the 'digital by default' narrative across the infrastructure policy landscape in Australia, the question must be asked - "how do we measure, report and hold ourselves accountable to this idea?" In this episode Adam chats with Sara Stace, Director of Cities at WSP in Australia. Throughout the course of the conversation Sara digs into insights about building the necessary elements of successful national infrastructure policy, how digital intersects with mainstream infrastructure and what types of leadership and governance arrangements may be required. Sara also shares her tips for effective industry engagement and how success might be realised.