There are various forms of unconscious bias that creep into our personal lives such as gender, halo and confirmation bias. While many equity practitioners use unconscious bias training, chances are it is ineffective, because behaviours don't change and outcomes are minimal. Then there is conscious inclusion. My guest Gamiel Yafai, Founder & CEO of Diversity Marketplace has spoken at great length about conscious inclusion. We will discuss this topic, intersectionality and the recent discussions surrounding diversity fatigue and your thoughts about it. Thanks for joining me.