In this episode, Jez and Dave are joined by Cloud Consultant, John Clarke, to discuss the differences between operating in a data centre and operating in the cloud. We dive deeper into the topic of Cloud Ops/DevOps and ask the questions: Do you really need to insource cloud skills? How do you get from a skateboard to car? Is it all just a big pie?

Stick around for a particularly awful Ten Second Recommendation from Dave and a late night apology from Jez.