Kaena pitches a curveball, calling in from the San Diego Zoo with his lady, so this episode turns animal-centric real quick. He gives an audio tour and we chat about flamingo homicides, podcasts on-the-go, pescetarian gators, the life of Golden monkeys, monkeys (and humans) comprehending their captivity, Christopher Walken’s singing voice, hippos munching watermelons, the moral question of eating chicken tendies in a zoo, graffiti carved into bamboo shoots, Kevin James’s Zookeeper, doing psychedelics in a controlled wilderness environment, animal prison vs preservation, the sweet spot of evolution, harsh environments producing the toughest creatures, and feisty tigers.