Derek chats to the computer programmer who invented the Football Manager phenomenon - Kevin Toms.

Kevin created the first ever version of the game back in 1982 for the ZX 81 and TRS-80.

In this episode, Kevin talks about the inspiration to make the game, the work that went into it and the impact it had on its release.

He also chats about bringing the game into the 21st century with the launch of the original game on the smart phone.

You can follow Kevin on Twitter and download his game here

(Apologies for the background noise near the end, someone was using a blowtorch outside Kevin's house)

Enjoy folks!