Welcome to the Things That Shape Us podcast. My name is Jonathan Wymer and I'm joined by James Gary to discuss a various range of subjects that are all related to one idea: How those things shape our lives.

In this episode, James and I discuss ONE THING that shaped our lives with Yul Brynner (longtime friend and collaborator). For Yul, being an African-American male has shaped his life in many ways. He delves deep into his childhood, his first experiences with racism and how he's fought to remain a level of normalcy while growing up in environments that have threatened his creativity and ways of expressing himself. James and I indirectly empathize with Yul's conundrum and it's a common one these days. Racism is a difficult topic, and we keep our organic conversation to a level of personal attention rather than shifting into politics. And it all ends with love and the relationship with share with each other.

Original Jingle & Logo by Lisa Wymer.
Produced & Edited by Jonathan Wymer.
Mixed and Designed by James Gary.