Four people take us on their emotional journey through the landscape of government. How do you manage the personal toll that comes with trying to make change? 

Part 2 Guests: Michael Quadrozzi and Cheniqua Johnson 

1:32: Introduction to Michael Quadrozzi 
5:18: Recently, you've been more cynical. Can you describe how your feelings have shifted?
9:58: Introduction to Cheniqua Johnson 
20:02: Have you ever had a moment in your career where you thought I cannot? 
22:42: Do you have advice for younger people wanting to find their place to affect change? 
24:02: Conclusion