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Universal Basic Income: Would It Make Us Happier? In this episode, David Lloyd is joined by Chris Budd and Tom Morris to explore this hotly debated idea, UBI, but through a financial wellbeing lens rather than a political one.
Along the way, there’s community joy, reused tea bags, Maslow’s pyramid, behavioural psychology and what all of this might mean for parents supporting their children, as well as those approaching retirement.
Chris Budd – Founder of Ovation Finance, author of The Four Cornerstones of Financial Wellbeing, trustee of a hospice and, as someone else once described him, the “grandfather of financial wellbeing.”
Tom Morris – Managing Director of Ovation Finance. Award winning, Bristol-based, chartered, B-Corp certified and employee-owned.
Fancy a chat with Tom Morris and the team at Ovation? Contact details here
Tom’s money-saving tip this week involves former England cricketer Jack Russell. Rumour has it he would hang up his tea bags between uses and reuse them later.
Whether for sustainability or savings, the lesson is clear: small habits can save money. (Although David points out his mum was doing this decades ago.)
Before diving into economics, the team share their regular feature: Joy Baiting – the antidote to online “rage bait.”
Tom shares a story from a local mini rugby festival: 500+ children aged 6–12, countless volunteers organising parking, food stalls, refereeing and coaching — all creating a joyful community event.
So… What Is Universal Basic Income? In this episode we look at a non-political Exploration.
Universal Basic Income (UBI) is the idea that every adult receives a fixed income from the government, regardless of their circumstances.
It’s:
Importantly, the discussion here is not about politics or affordability – but about what UBI tells us about the relationship between money and happiness.
For context, if the UK paid everyone roughly £400 per month, it would cost around £200 billion a year — more than the NHS budget.
So yes, it’s expensive. But what about the wellbeing implications?
Maslow’s hierarchy of needs suggests we must satisfy basic needs — food, shelter, safety — before we can pursue higher goals like belonging, esteem and creativity.
If someone is anxious about survival, it’s extremely difficult for them to move “up the pyramid.”
Financial planners see this constantly — particularly with people approaching retirement. Until clients feel secure, they struggle to explore purpose or joy.
So the question becomes:
Would guaranteeing a basic income help people move up Maslow’s pyramid – or make them lazy?
There are two competing views:
To explore this, Chris consulted behavioural finance expert Neil Bage, who pointed him to the Yerkes-Dodson Law.
A little anxiety improves performance.
Financial stress often sits firmly in the “too much” category. When people are overwhelmed by money worries:
Research shows that when people worry about paying bills, cognitive performance drops significantly.
David shares two personal examples:
The difference? Confidence and perceived control.
Similarly, financial anxiety can either sharpen focus – or overwhelm entirely.
Chris recounts how severe financial stress led his father to stop opening bills altogether — anxiety became paralysing rather than motivating.
Several trials have been conducted:
Still awaiting results.
From a wellbeing perspective: yes.
UBI appears to:
From a purely economic perspective:
There’s no strong evidence yet of significant economic growth benefits.
But the economic arguments may be missing a key point:
The wellbeing benefits are significant.
Financial planners often help clients answer:
But perhaps they should also help answer:
Universal Basic Income may or may not be politically viable. But the psychology is clear:
A guaranteed level of financial security reduces anxiety and increases wellbeing.
And that principle applies whether you’re:
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Universal Basic Income: Would It Make Us Happier? In this episode, David Lloyd is joined by Chris Budd and Tom Morris to explore this hotly debated idea, UBI, but through a financial wellbeing lens rather than a political one.
Along the way, there’s community joy, reused tea bags, Maslow’s pyramid, behavioural psychology and what all of this might mean for parents supporting their children, as well as those approaching retirement.
Chris Budd – Founder of Ovation Finance, author of The Four Cornerstones of Financial Wellbeing, trustee of a hospice and, as someone else once described him, the “grandfather of financial wellbeing.”
Tom Morris – Managing Director of Ovation Finance. Award winning, Bristol-based, chartered, B-Corp certified and employee-owned.
Fancy a chat with Tom Morris and the team at Ovation? Contact details here
Tom’s money-saving tip this week involves former England cricketer Jack Russell. Rumour has it he would hang up his tea bags between uses and reuse them later.
Whether for sustainability or savings, the lesson is clear: small habits can save money. (Although David points out his mum was doing this decades ago.)
Before diving into economics, the team share their regular feature: Joy Baiting – the antidote to online “rage bait.”
Tom shares a story from a local mini rugby festival: 500+ children aged 6–12, countless volunteers organising parking, food stalls, refereeing and coaching — all creating a joyful community event.
So… What Is Universal Basic Income? In this episode we look at a non-political Exploration.
Universal Basic Income (UBI) is the idea that every adult receives a fixed income from the government, regardless of their circumstances.
It’s:
Importantly, the discussion here is not about politics or affordability – but about what UBI tells us about the relationship between money and happiness.
For context, if the UK paid everyone roughly £400 per month, it would cost around £200 billion a year — more than the NHS budget.
So yes, it’s expensive. But what about the wellbeing implications?
Maslow’s hierarchy of needs suggests we must satisfy basic needs — food, shelter, safety — before we can pursue higher goals like belonging, esteem and creativity.
If someone is anxious about survival, it’s extremely difficult for them to move “up the pyramid.”
Financial planners see this constantly — particularly with people approaching retirement. Until clients feel secure, they struggle to explore purpose or joy.
So the question becomes:
Would guaranteeing a basic income help people move up Maslow’s pyramid – or make them lazy?
There are two competing views:
To explore this, Chris consulted behavioural finance expert Neil Bage, who pointed him to the Yerkes-Dodson Law.
A little anxiety improves performance.
Financial stress often sits firmly in the “too much” category. When people are overwhelmed by money worries:
Research shows that when people worry about paying bills, cognitive performance drops significantly.
David shares two personal examples:
The difference? Confidence and perceived control.
Similarly, financial anxiety can either sharpen focus – or overwhelm entirely.
Chris recounts how severe financial stress led his father to stop opening bills altogether — anxiety became paralysing rather than motivating.
Several trials have been conducted:
Still awaiting results.
From a wellbeing perspective: yes.
UBI appears to:
From a purely economic perspective:
There’s no strong evidence yet of significant economic growth benefits.
But the economic arguments may be missing a key point:
The wellbeing benefits are significant.
Financial planners often help clients answer:
But perhaps they should also help answer:
Universal Basic Income may or may not be politically viable. But the psychology is clear:
A guaranteed level of financial security reduces anxiety and increases wellbeing.
And that principle applies whether you’re: