In this episode, Trevor sits down to talk with Clay McLeod Chapman about his new book, Wake Up and Open Your Eyes, available January 7, 2025 from Quirk Books. They talk about flailing in the dark, about not knowing what the future might hold and the importance of striving for good anyway, and share intimate fears about what this book means to Clay and to one of his readers.

Content Warning: This episode contains references to self-harm and mental illness. Please do not feel you need to listen if these issues are difficult for you to handle. If you are thinking of self-harm or worse, please seek professional counseling. You are valuable and shouldn't go through anything alone.

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