In episode 13 of The Good Oil Podcast, Cam sits down with Jordan Williams: lawyer, political commentator, and Executive Director of the New Zealand Taxpayers’ Union.

As you’d expect, he’s one of the sharpest minds in the country when it comes to government accountability.

He’s made a career out of asking uncomfortable questions and demanding straight answers. Never shy of a fight, he’s a lightning rod for debate on transparency, wasteful spending, and the size and power of the government.

He and Cam discuss bureaucratic bloat, freedom of speech and why democracy needs defending now more than ever.

Jordan also turns the mic on Cam to ask: what’s with the endless black t-shirts?

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