The latest verbal sparring match between Jessica Helfand and Michael Bierut. Are boxing and photography hipster pleasures? Are they past their prime, or do they have a bright future?
Plus: Michael on that time he got punched in the nose.

The latest verbal sparring match between Jessica Helfand and Michael Bierut. Are boxing and photography hipster pleasures? Are they past their prime, or do they have a bright future? Plus: Michael on that time he got punched in the nose.

Episode 13: Knockout

@the-observatory-1: Michael Bierut and Jessica Helfand on design, current events, and current enthusiasms.

@designmatters with Debbie Millman: thought-provoking conversations with industry-leading graphic designers, change agents, artists, writers, and educators.

@the-observatory-1: Michael Bierut and Jessica Helfand on design, current events, and current enthusiasms. @designmatters with Debbie Millman: thought-provoking conversations with industry-leading graphic designers, change agents, artists, writers, and educators.

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Episode 13: Knockout

Episode 13: Knockout