We celebrate the 4th of July every year without spending time to think about what Independence actually means. Hosts Jonathan Rapping and Ilham Askia explore the true meaning of independence by diving into the topic of immigration. They sat down with two immigration public defense experts that teach and educate our immigrant brothers and sisters on their rights within this U.S. criminal legal system. This week’s featured guests are Criminal and Immigration Clinician and Gideon’s Promise Faculty member, Professor Violeta Chapin; and Managing Attorney at Stern Law, Jessica Stern. Listen to this episode today!