My guest today is Ross Guttler, CEO of The Open Center, the country's longest-running urban center for personal growth and spiritual practice. Prior to this, Ross worked in wellness real estate, served as an advisor to startups in the wellness and prop-tech spaces, and held leadership roles on numerous industry and non-profit boards.

We talked about how he used to literally say “I’m not someone who breaks trail”, his path to becoming his own boss, and that “productive time” isn’t more noble than non-productive time.  

Learn more about the Open Center at OpenCenter.org

Editing and social media support from Michael Moeri (@thatsamoeri)

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