It's episode 13! And we're joined by actor, musician and podcaster Sam Pay - one of the hosts of Stripped Media's Song By Song podcast (a show that takes an in-depth look at the work of the legendary Tom Waits), one of Gregor's personal favourites. In our longest episode to date, Sam joins us to talk about the venerable Mr Waits - of course! - as well as his love of comic books and the struggle to stay creative whilst juggling childcare during lockdown.

Before the interview, a prolonged UFO digression, subterranean tunnelling with pre-teens, and a dismal MDMA story!

Also, the results of Paul Vickers' "install a story into some food" challenge from two weeks ago. Plus, we reveal one of our hosts has a benign tumour in their brain! But whom?! Listen on to find out!

Find out more about Song By Song here: http://www.songbysongpodcast.com/

Interview starts at 21:15.