On this week’s episode of Further, Brenton Grimm sits down with Nathan Williams to unpack John 15 and what it really means to count the cost of following Jesus today. They talk through modern forms of persecution—from lost jobs to lost friendships—and how to avoid confusing bold faith with just being combative. Nathan explains what it looks like to “speak the truth in love,” aiming to reach people with humility and compassion while refusing to compromise biblical truth. Looking to the early church, they explore how joy can coexist with suffering when our aim is God’s glory. The episode wraps up with practical encouragement to pray, rely on the Spirit, lead with love, and be bold enough to speak truth even when it costs something.

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