Andru Defeye stopped by for Episode 138. He’s the found and the self-proclaimed janitor of ZFG Promotions (Zero Forbidden Goals).

Andru and I discuss our pooches; his 240-odd nieces and nephews that are running around town; why ZFG Promotions is increasingly bringing arts to our public schools; the steps he takes to allow young artists to purge the embarrassing and superficial to find the truth in their art; why the hollow success he had in San Francisco led him to Sacramento and the Sol Collective; how easily kids can see through bullshit; and the lovable Pug that interrupted our conversation (I was supposed to post a photo of Andru’s Pug but my old camera broke before I could save it).

Thank you for listening, Listeners, and thank you for sharing, Sharers, to my conversation with Andru Defeye.