In a lively, wide-ranging discussion, John and Robert talk with Danielle Royston - TelcoDR - about the state of charging in telecom, and the impact of public cloud and SaaS more widely.

We also cover "that" MWC takeover in 2021, a certain rock star, and TelcoDR's plans for her $1bn Telecom Transformation Fund, beginning with Totogi.

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