- 01:29- "Joining Plastic, Glass, and Metal On the Recycle List: Fake Art" (NY Times paywall)

 - 01:35 - It's not about recycling

 - 01:50 - Commas trigger James

 - 02:15 - Pretentious words trigger James

 - 03:25 - Art world vs elites vs the masses

 - 03:36 - Language as a weapon?

 - 03:45 - Catherine sums article up in seconds, but they will talk about it for 20 minutes

 - 04:00 - Most of the fake art is not destroyed

 - 04:10 - The only recycling is that fake pieces keep showing up for sale and authentication

 - 04:15 - If everyone is upset about forgeries, just destroy them!

 - 04:30 - Catalogues of fakes as teaching tools

 - 04:45 - If a piece has merits, does the author really matter?

 - 04:56 - "Tyranny of authorship"

 - 05:40 - Celebrate the work, not the author

 - 06:28 - Forged pieces are stamped, retained, and potentially resurface in art world

 - 07:58 - Deconstructing authentication

 - 08:54 - The case of the "thrift store Pollack"

 - 09:44 - It's a sleazy market

 - 10:00 - Once a forgery, always a forgery?

 - 10:55 - Bad stamp

 - 11:30 - James holds back re: Damien Hirst

 - 12:23 - Digression about makers' marks

 - 13:54 - The found piece will not be destroyed

 - 14:20 - Catherine has a knack!

 - 15:12 - Unanswered questions

 - 15:55 - Who authenticates the authenticator?

 - 17:00 - James proposes a "forgery registry", Catherine suggests putting a notch in it!

 - 19:12 - James approves NY Times web design

 - 20:10 - What bikinis?

 - 21:50 - Both Chagall's in article are forgeries

 - 23:05 - Just didn't get any vibes

 - 23:45 - Catherine proposes recycling ideas

 - 25:00 - Authenticator's opposing specialties: Egon Schiele vs Grandma Moses

 - 26:17 - Deconstructing the term "Folk Art"

 - 27:00 - The genius of Grandma Moses

 - 28:27 - Villeroy & Boch "Naif" pattern

 - 29:00 - The term Folk Art is purely marketing

 - 30:00 - Again, the work must stand on its own

 - 30:12 - Training does not beget great work

 - 31:50 - "Craft" is legit

 - 32:25 - Catherine "paints" with fibers

 - 32:43 - Affirmation is great

 - 33:45 - Was this an angry podcast?

 - 34:05 - Next week, Louise Nevelson and a discussion of "recycling" in art