In this episode, Wynne Leon talks with meditation teacher, massage therapist and healer, Deirdre Wilcox, about how to hold space for others. It's the process of actively listening to others going through tough stuff with open regard. How do we do it effectively? What good does it do for the person we are holding space for?

We also talk about another favorite phrase that Wynne has gotten from Deirdre – “being parked in my small space.” That is to say, that space where everything and anything bugs us because our perspective is shut down. Deirdre gives some great tips on how to open back up to that expansive state where we don’t have to BE the irritations and pains that we are currently feeling.

After the last episode with Deirdre, a listener said it reminded her of the song, “Breathe” by Anna Nalik. Deirdre and Wynne talk about breath as the foundational tool of change.

In this episode there is also an outtake that we've tacked on at the end – but it is from the beginning of the conversation where Wynne tries to wrangle Deirdre but she is just too effusive and frankly, a hugely funny pain, so we have to start over.

Deirdre's website can be found at Deirdre Therapeutics