Mark Burns is author of three best selling books: 'Engaging Learners', 'Teaching Backwards' and :The Learning Imperative'. Mark is passionate about creating the conditions for effective learning for both the children and young people and the adults in school communities.

Marks talks to Billy and about 'Cathedral Building' and reflects on how we can continue doing this during turbulent times. Connect with Mark on Twitter @learnimperative and at https://www.learningimperative.co.uk/