Kate Collier, Creative Director at The Garden Productions, chats to Holly about Big Brother, documentaries as empathy machines; Exodus, Gogglebox and working on the first episode of The One Show.

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Hosted by Holly Close & Campbell Glennie

Music Production by Dominic Kennedy