On this episode of Security Nation, host Kyle Flaherty is joined by Jen Ellis, who is not only the VP of Communications for Rapid7 but also a longtime proponent of security pros, along with Matt Hathaway, who heads up Rapid7's incident detection solution and is a longtime friend of the pod (FOP). They discuss some industry best practices, including:

- The use for guides like the SANS/CIS critical controls and NIST

- The confusion created by a lack of definitions in the security space and the amount of vendor FUD

- How the controls will (or should) evolve as we evolve our technologies

- The difference between a cravat and an ascot knot