Stop me if you've heard this one before: YOU REALLY DON'T WANT TO MISS THIS EPISODE!

Jack and Jasinda interview Chris Heuertz, an incredible author, Enneagram expert, spiritual trailblazer, and philosopher. This is by far the most in-depth and thought-provoking episode yet. Far from a broad-range discussion of Enneagram types, this conversation dives deep, tackling spirituality, failure, compassion, parenting, and so much more...

So good you may want to listen to this one twice.