How do you create, bootstrap, innovate and keep going at a startup based in Kaliningrad, Russia? We were curious, so we talked with Daniel Ray, director of the innovation labs at Ultimate Guitar and MuseScore. Daniel has a fascinating background in music that led him from playing bassoon and contra bassoon in symphonies, to rocking out with bands, then into the tech world, and finally combining his love of tech and music at Ultimate Guitar. Join Garnet and Mark to hear the story behind it all, and where UG is headed.